The light is getting brighter, but I don't like what I see. :) My application has, essentially, only one form but with several tabs. So to close the forms with grids would be to close the application! I'm using the tabs the way I should probably be using a menu bar. I thought this was wise (actually, I just liked the way it looks). Now I'm less sure. Perhaps you can tell me whether I should cut and run right now by separating things into multiple forms before I create an unworkable monster. (BTW, breaking into lots of forms will also help reduce references like ThisForm.pgfmain,pgCust.grdCustList to ThisForm.grdCustList which is another of my pains....) Thanks for all your help with this...Bob