Hi John,

Python, Javascript, PHP and LianjaVFP are interoperatble in Lianja, meaning one can call the other and have the results marshalled back. Where this is not so, but will be, is in .rsp pages on the cloud server, which are like asp and asp.net pages in that code can be used inline or with codebehind. The editing and debugging experience isn't there in the way it is in, e.g., PyDev in Aptana Studio. But if I need something from Python, I can write the module there and then use it in Lianja. Python can be used to write Desktop apps all by itself.

That said, the LianjaVFP language has many useful extensions from VFP that are taken from PHP and Python that give me much of the same experience I've had writing in Python.

re: price. No, $5,000 isn't cheap all by itself. However, I said in the context "if you have the customers." The ISV license gives unlimited distribution of the Lianja Cloud Server and the Lianja SQL Server, so long as they only run your code. Even if you charge half the Lianja price of the servers when you distribute the code, you'll make your money back and more -- if you have the customers who have the business need for non-desktop applications. This would include customers for whom the TCO of maintaining fat applications on desktops is a burden. The customers who are on rdp or ica will immediately save a bundle, especially if they move to CentOS for their servers, just on licensing alone. In addition, they will find that server running a Lianja Cloud App can server many more users than one running rdp or ica sessions. So $5,000 isn't cheap, but it can end up being a bargain, for all involved. We run a citrix farm in a co-lo, and our costs based on preliminary and conservative estimates will drop by 2/3: most of the cost is not in the co-lo costs, but rather the licensing (Windows; Citrix) costs and depreciation costs on the servers.

In general, if your customers need something other than fat apps on a desktop, Lianja is a bargain, by a large margin from any competitor I've seen. If your customers are OK with desktop fat apps, VFP is great, so why change?

Hank

Hank

>>3) Instead, take the opportunity to learn the Lianja UI concept. If there is something you can't figure out how to accomplish in the Lianja style, ask on the forum. That doesn't >mean "make it look like it does in my VFP app," but rather means "accomplish the same result in the Lianja UI style." My experience is that the user ends up with a superior UX >(user experience) when the transformation is made to the Lianja style (which is based on the Single Page Application -- SPA -- responsive UI style seen in modern apps). The >big difference in using Lianja vs. using jquery and backbone and wiring it yourself is that you don't have to learn (and write) any of that: it's all done for you. You can add what >you want into it (e.g., you can now create a jquery/jquery-mobile container and put it in a grid cell), but for the most part, you won't have to.
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>Hank,
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>Do you use python to code? It seemed to me that python was a second hand citizen in Lianja's world.
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>In light of the constant changes that are taking place in the world of website coding, I wonder how Lianja is changing it's tools? Example yesterday we talked about using Apache, Django, Magento, etc.. today we talk about Angular with ResTFul. Tomorrow looks like 'polymer' and other''s like it.
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>BTW I'm glad you think $5000 per year is cheap. In my world it's not.
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>Johnf