>>Lets revisit this in 5 years and see who was right and who was not. Its no use "debating" this with emotions, anger and hate embedded into the motivations and arguments. For unbiased conclusions, it is still too early.


>Walter, the following are facts, and I've said most of these several times before:

Whether they are facts or not, is impossible for me to check and I very much doubt that anyone will be able to confirm that they are indeed facts.
Anyways. They look to me as footnotes in history.

Do you want to go back to the old system, where the average american will pay more than twice than anyone else on this globe for only average quality, or are you willing to give it a chance to improve the healthcare system on both quality and costs?

There is no doubt that for some it will get more expensive and there is no doubt that this is just the first step and initial price increases will be seen. We've been through that here as well. Now each year prices seem to drop a little.

Again, no matter what you are regarding as facts, the effects of obamacare will not be measurable in the first few years. You'll have to wait a couple of years until the market got the time to adjust. Nothing in healthcare goes fast. For example the move from ICD9 to ICD10 has taken years of preperations and despited that we received the news that it got delayed for another year. Costs eventually will trickle down to you as an customer. This will have nothing to do with obamacare, but will increase the prices of your policies as thousands of medical (billing) applications need to be updated or replaced.

The points you listed below are inconvenient at best. They might need adjustment as time goes by though.

We have a dutch saying: Don't throw the baby out of the window with the bath water. The thing needs evaluation, and that can only be done when the smoke goes up. And that IMO, is exactly the problem. Too much smoke...


Walter,












>- The President has issued many delays to key parts of the law, where the effects would have otherwise coincided with key mid-term elections.
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>- The total price tag has more than doubled since the original estimates
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>- Major insurance players are reporting a significant drop in customers paying premiums
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>- There are already discussions between the White House and major insurance execs over a bailout next year
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>- Premiums have already gone up, and most actuaries are consistently projecting two sets of premium increases in less than 12 months.
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>- Employer mandate kicks in next year (delayed from this year because even the administration knows that over 10 million will lose their current plan).
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>- Over 1,400 waivers granted to businesses, corporations and labor unions (many are Obama supporters and contributors....thereby creating the phrase, "ObamaCare for thee but not for me")
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>- Disruption of labor market and downgrading of jobs to part time
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>- In some states, over half the physicians have stated they can't accept the ACA reimbursement schedules
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>- A 27 year old can live rent-free in parent's house - no financial obligations - might be employed or might not - and be eligible for subsidies and pay little or nothing for coverage.
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>"Five years" was never the calculus of this administration.