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>>>>>Call Ripley (thanks for that term, Marcia) - we agree. :)
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>>>>Always nice to find a point of agreement, especially on something so fundamental.
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>>>But what disturbs me is the Zeitgeist against fundamental values. I am hardly a prude but I see a shift away from fundamental values in our American society.
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>>What are considering as "fundamental values" in this case?
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>Whatever the mullahs say they are ;)
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>Actually only 1/4 joking. Anyone with any grasp of history knows that what many people call "fundamental values" are anything but, having changed frequently over the course of millennia, centuries and even over recent decades.

Like late Pratchett said

“Ah,” said Mr. Pin. “Right. I remember. You are concerned citizens.” He knew about concerned citizens. Wherever they were, they all spoke the same private language, where “traditional values” meant “hang someone.”