>Bill,
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>I guess you don't have an SSD in those machines. I did an upgrade and it was done in less than 20 minutes.
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>Walter,
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Yes, I have SSD in both machines and lots of RAM

They seemed to spend a lot of time going back to the web.

I use Cablevision here. You might have faster web speed.


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>>>Unless there's some specific difference I'm not aware of, what you're describing is the same install/upgrade process that MS has had for years.
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>>I must have avoided the upgrade process by buying new machines, so this was my first.
>>It's disgraceful.
>>If you and I delivered apps like this to our clients we'd be out of business.
>>I did two upgrades- once for my laptop- a very fast Dell- and once for my desktop, a real Dell blazer.
>>I finally went to sleep while the laptop process ran. It had been running for over 4 hours.
>>I don't know how long it finally ran
>>The desktop was faster, but not much.
>>
>>In each case, the process just paused in place for as much as an hour with no indication of what was happening.
>>If any of my apps pause for a much as two seconds, I give some kind of indication of what's happening, because clients get jittery and start pressing buttons that cause problems.
>>The progress % values bear no relation to the actual times elapsed vs the time remaining.
>>They're not even close.
>>Why bother?
>>They'd be better off just showing moving dots, or something like that, but really.. can't they get that right???
>>
>>At least 3 reboots were required each time.
>>These are the people that make the OS.
>>Can't they figure out a way to get an OS installed without 3 reboots?
>>I ran a Unix installation for 10 years and rebooted that sever twice all that time.
>>Imagine delivering an app that required 3 reboots and then trying to collect from a client.
>>
>>The reason that Apple is killing them in the marketplace is that no one at MS is demanding perfection.
>>Good enough is good enough.