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>>The context was the ACA. With the grandfather period extended again, Obama was right when he spoke in 2009 and 2010: if you had a roll over plan that you liked when Obama said his thing, the ACA allowed you to keep it to this day. Unless you or your insurer elected to exit the arrangement, of course. If your plan was one of those where the parties agreed a one-year period that did not roll over, the ACA did not prevent that agreement being fully satisfied either. People who say otherwise generally try to graft those 2009 comments onto a plan taken in 2012 (which has no grandfather provision and did not exist when Obama said his thing) or haven't researched what grandfathering means, or simply want to pile on. Ask yourself why you're not still hearing the accusation trumpeted to the skies and why TV and newspapers never were full of tearful victims whose plans were stripped from them by the ACA. The few who did appear were quickly discredited. In all fairness, the concept of grandfathering and considering the veracity of Obama's comments when they were made... it's not complicated. If Obama were standing again he could have an absolute field day with the poorly considered shrieking accusations that have dogged his presidency.
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>Sorry JR, but the facts don't support that. The White House only ever started saying (in essence) that the context was ACA after the 2013 rollout.
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>The history and sequence of events is key. Politifact has a pretty good documented history where Obama was saying, "if you like your plan, if you like your doctor, you can keep your plan/doctor, PERIOD" There are public records 26 times between his inauguration and when the law was passed...and then 10 more times after the law was signed and even during the 2012 presidential campaign.
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>In those 36 instances, Obama never qualified in public statements that it only applied to plans that hadn't changed after the law's passage. It's only been after the rollout (and after people started receiving cancellation notices) that the White House started making that qualification. Until the rollout, that caveat was never mentioned in public.
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>http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/nov/06/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-what-hed-said-was-you-could-keep/
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>These are FACTS.
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>Now...there is a WSJ report that Obama's policy advisors told him years ago to can it with the "if you like your doctor/plan"....but his campaign advisors objected to the recommendations of his policy advisors. Given all the other documented history involving this president, I personally believe that WSJ report is true.

>Sadly, the fact that millions lost their plans unexpectedly and had their lives somewhat disrupted at the worst time of the year (and just months after gas prices sky-rocketed after the 2012 election) wasn't the worst part. It was the horrible narrowing of networks. You can try to put a sunny disposition on this all you wish, but the fact is you do not live here 12 months of the year and I don't know if you've seen the first-hand impact of narrowing networks. I have - far more than you will ever know.

Politifact is a pretty reliable too and I think I would have to agree with what you're saying here. But do you think that in the long run ACH did more good than bad? I mean more people are covered that before right?
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