>Still, I have to confess to a bias in favor of finding ways to uplift groups that are struggling to find a place in our culture, however devious the motives of those pols might be.
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>Making these people dependent on the government is not a good way to uplift them.

Marcia, I know you're speaking from ethical conviction but you insult a lot of people who have taken advantage of government assistance to better themselves, including my brother and myself and hundreds of thousands of GI's who took advantage of the GI bill.

The taxes that we've paid have repaid the government for its investment hundreds of thousands of times.

My brother, who is to the right of you and Kevin politically, would be "interested" to learn that he's dependent on the government.