>>For instance, the Indiana pizza shop that said they have no problem with people of different orientations coming into their pizza shop - but they would draw the line on physically attending and catering certain weddings. Their position is reasonable. Forcing them to show up and cater is a clear violation of their First Amendment rights - but that didn't stop a rather large number of people from making death threats and from phoning in enough phony orders that they had to close down. This was a story that did not receive enough attention in the media, of just how far the political left will go.
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>Possibly I'm too tired to answer? Because somebody with an open mind would understand?
>You are on that beyond reasoning. If you think that those religious idiots have the right to do what they like anybody else deserves the right to ruin them. The job keeper have done it as a explicit demonstration. Normaly you are a big fan of par pari referre? Not know?
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>I think this is unbearable how far those nazis are going.
>And if there is one group where my tolerance ends it's about nazis. (Before you try the wrong argument: A nazi is somebody who brings his one superiority above any reason.) If your whatever law covers the free speach of nazis your law is wrong.
>There is no reason to not offer an other human beeing the serveice the shop offers. Where will you draw the line? Will you salute if some arabic shop keeper in the middle east decides that his religous belive means to let the all american girl die of thirst? (His religion stops him from dealing with her, right? And this is old, well established relligion, nothing rural americans have invented).


I think you are overreacting here - quite a bit,to be honest. The basic ingredient of a contract is meeting of minds. If the shop owners do not refuse to cater LBG couples entering their shop, but do not want to work at such a wedding - that should be their free choice. The same as a master chef declining to cook only kosher or halal foods for some religous wedding if he does not need the money or has no inclination to curb his style. Yes, some bigots will decline for reasons more in line of crusade time or '33 thinking, but even they will miss out on the profit.

For me there are already too many situations like that: who cares if a woman wants to hide her hair? But covering to the point of being unrecognizable is against the law (at least in our country) - so either show the face, hide and get fined or allow me to put on a mask when driving through famous speed traps - at least motor cycle helmet is allowed on 2 wheels ;-))

Similar these discussions about female only wagons on trains after Cologne New Year: the law does not allow those the same way those female parking places cannot be enforced by the owner. Stupid! Give the owner the authority to decide if he wants some parking space/wagons reserved for women and let the yearly bottom line be the reward.

The letter of the law says I have to give equal opportunity to both sexes on all jobs or when renting a flat? Sorry, but for some crimes the percentages are not distributed even - so babysitting is still female dominated and IMhO that is ok. Or when renting a flat deciding against one sex, if spouse is afraid for herself or offspring - being forced to be extra careful to formulate the negative decision is idiotic in my eyes.

On your pari argument: I am much more in line with Bill's thinking: that is a biz risk the shop owners have to take for making a stand. But calling in with prank orders is fraud - if the owner has no policy to verify new customers/valid orders, his fault, if he has no stomach to put up a fight and sue those identified, shows how weak his determination is.

On political orientation, I can easily anger almost every side with a few aspects of my Weltanschaung, but for the far right I can say the only time I moved consciously in those circles was around the fall of the wall, after an arson case where more than a dozen twens died - close friends among them, only about 20% only german citizenship, ranging from Sweden, States, France down to Algeria and Libanon, all well educated. I had been invited to the event as well but did not go as I already had a girl not from that particular group lined up for the night - pure luck, as I had been to similar parties. As police did not find anything other than accelerant, a myself and few other physically blue eyed friends tried to sniff around in that area (20 min away from F) in the following year in those circles, but we did not find any leads or people boasting about it...