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26/04/2016 01:31:56
John Ryan
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26/04/2016 00:54:39
Lutz Scheffler
Lutz Scheffler Software Ingenieurbüro
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>>Again, a law does mean nothing here... Theres no need for an extra one. It will help nobody but those that will quietly and harming nobody alter the rooms will be harmed. That's the only reason for such law, to criminalize people.

Just for clarity, the OSHA arm of the US Labor Department regulates workplace restrooms and in 2015 it wrote that “Restricting employees to using only restrooms that are not consistent with their gender identity, or segregating them from other workers by requiring them to use gender-neutral or other specific restrooms, singles those employees out and may make them fear for their physical safety.” OSHA said that being allowed to choose the facilities you want to use, irrespective of biological sex or appearance, is both a human rights and a safety issue. As gender identity is self-determined and non-mentored, effectively this means anybody can use any facility by claiming to identify as that gender. Discussion flowed with various groups claiming that their feelings in the matter ought to determine law. It culminated with North Carolina issued a law saying you're to use the gender facilities on your birth certificate. IMHO this blunt instrument was not intended to criminalize anybody except the apocryphal pervert claiming to believe they're a girl so they can lurk where they oughtn't. Seems to me that we're seeing a wildly swinging pendulum here with common sense as usual somewhere in between.

One potential outcome will be unsegregated toilets so nobody can complain of exclusion. However, there's a groundswell of women observing that sometimes you don't know what you've got till its gone. The opportunity to hitch up your bra in front of the mirror or touch up your makeup without smirking male observers, for instance. Dudes will be right there looking in the same mirror, washing their hands or hoiking in the basin. Not all women want that and it's unclear why their feelings on the matter are less valid than anybody else's, especially since it must be women being accused of harassment of Trans people wanting to use the ladies'.

I can't speak for the US but elsewhere the Trans issue is sufficiently normalized that it's a topic of satire rather than a deadly serious human rights issue. E.g. check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4THO9-N--k4

4THO9-N--k4
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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