>>>>>>>a better place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Let's start with the CHIP program that provides health insurance to kids who wouldn't otherwise have it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From the CHIP web site:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP, formerly the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)) was created by the Balanced Budget Act of 1997
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In 1997 she was renting out the Lincoln bedroom, firing travel agents, dodging non-existent sniper fire and stealing White House china.
>>>>>>>She was also arranging the pardon of billionaire Marc Rich.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>She either is responsible for what Slick Willy did while in office or she isn't.
>>>>>>>If she is, she has to explain about Monica, NAFTA and a lot of other things.
>>>>>>>If she isn't what did she have to do with CHIP?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tamar
>>>>>
>>>>>Let's look at what it says.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ted's people say:
>>>>>
>>>>>"we relied on her, worked with her and she was pivotal in encouraging the White House to do it."
>>>>>What does that mean?
>>>>>Can we infer that without her, her husband would have rejected it?
>>>>>So the value she added was getting his attention?
>>>>
>>>>Possibly. There's lots of priority-setting going on in the White House all the time, with decisions about what things are worth the fight.
>>>>
>>>>It also says she worked to get kids enrolled, once it existed. Not enough detail there to know exactly what she did on that front.
>>>>
>>>>Tamar
>>>
>>>I have to confess that I'd question anything this person claims that she did that did not directly enrich her.
>>>If she told me that she made a few million after tax by supporting CHIP, I'd probably accept that without question.
>>
>>That's fascinating since she's literally spent most of her adult life trying to make other people's lives better. Have you listened to/watched any of the convention this week? Among the things I've learned about were her going to Alabama while a law student to get the goods on a white academy so that it would stop receiving government funds that aided it in avoiding integration and her advocacy for women and children in the US and around the world.
>>
>>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/allida-black/blazing-a-trail-hillary-clinton_b_5610884.html
>>
>>If you haven't yet read this piece, I think it's essential reading before the election:
>>
>>http://www.vox.com/a/hillary-clinton-interview/the-gap-listener-leadership-quality
>>
>>Ditto this one:
>>
>>https://thepolicy.us/thinking-about-hillary-a-plea-for-reason-308fce6d187c#.fhyqwam6e
>>
>>
>>Tamar
>
>I dipped into all of them.
>Most of what I saw there were testimonials from supporters and quotes from her.
>Interesting, but not really inofrmative.

I thought the Ezra Klein piece was interesting for what it says about how she works. There've been a lot of echos of that in this convention--lots of people talking about how she listened.

>
>I lived in NY during her terms in the senate.
>In fact, she did a pretty good job representing the people of NY, especially areas upstate that had been hit hard economically.
>Several staunch Republicans I worked with up there were quick to praise the work she did in getting federal money to get things going.
>She was one the most conscientious senators among her colleagues, according to all accounts.
>So, there are some credits.
>
>The problem, though is the debits.
>They are huge.
>
>-Her support of the Iraq war disqualifies her, period.

Absolutely disappointing and one of the reasons I didn't support her in '08. But Trump was for it, too, despite his saying otherwise now.

>-No one has ever explained the pardon of the swiss billionaire Marc Rich, whose wife is a personal friend of HRC.

Don't know enough to comment on this one.

>-No one who has spent time in VA facilties as I did just this week- it's horrible to see what war has done to our men- can forgive her cynical lie about taking sniper fire.

I wonder if it was a cynical lie or one of those things where the memory has changed over time. (There's some really interesting research that indicates that memories are not fixed, and that each time we retrieve them and replay them, we modify them.) In addition, the post's 4 Pinocchio fact-check on it has an interesting addendum:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/23/recalling-hillary-clintons-claim-of-landing-under-sniper-fire-in-bosnia/

Lissa Muscatine, who served as Hilary Clinton’s chief speechwriter in 1996 and accompanied her on the Bosnia trip, feels that I have failed to provide a full picture of what took place. She gave me her “vivid recollections” of the arrival in Tuzla, which I quote below:

I was on the plane with then First Lady Hillary Clinton for the trip from Germany into Bosnia in 1996. We were put on a C-17 — a plane capable of steep ascents and descents — precisely because we were flying into what was considered a combat zone. We were issued flak jackets for the final leg because of possible sniper fire near Tuzla. As an additional precaution, the First Lady and Chelsea were moved to the armored cockpit for the descent into Tuzla. We were told that a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills surrounding the air strip. From Tuzla, Hillary flew to two outposts in Bosnia with gunships escorting her helicopter.

>-Her colossal failure with the health care fiasco is really unmatched by any first woman (I reserve the word "lady" for ladies.)

What's your problem there, that she tried or that she failed?

IAC, as you commented elsewhere, you may not like her, but what's the alternative? Trump is unfit to be President in so many ways.

Tamar