correct. Looong time (vfp6..) ago we had sometimes issues with invisible forms and instead of going to the bottom by debugging and fixing, we went with moving the forms off-screen to manipulate without the user seeing them. Worth a quick try if form.visible = .f. results in problems and budget is limited

>Thomas, what do you mean by "offscreen forms". Are these one you put outside of the dimension of your monitor?
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>>>Is there anyway to not actually have a form appear (I don't want the user to see the form at all), yet have my program select a control on that form?
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>>>AFAIK. this is not possible. Once a control on the form gets focus, the form becomes visible...
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>>not certain about invisible forms, but offscreen forms should pose no problem