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So THIS is the final straw?? lol
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18/10/2016 16:56:04
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
 
 
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18/10/2016 09:13:19
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>>Did you watch the Anderson Cooper interview with the women who claims Trump molested her on a plane? She talks about not even telling her boss because she was the only woman in her position and she knew the response would be that it simply came with the job.

I did see it. My own experience is of an almost certainly female First Class flight attendant constantly hovering and clucking over her handful of charges. Even with today's reduced levels of solicitude, you barely finish your drink before a refill is offered. So I'm imagining Trump with his Scotch in one hand and the other seven hands leaning into the next gigantic seat and up the dress of its female occupant as the flight attendant asks if he needs a refill. So yes I'm afraid I do have issues with this particular story and yes I do realize the circular argument that this sort of reaction is why she didn't report it. My "pick" is that he was doing a Biden and she moved away from him.
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>>Trump talked about kissing women who didn't want it and grabbing their genitals. That's a much larger offense.

Men boasting about scoring chicks is not the same as actually doing it- in fact, some would say that the more extravagant the boast, the less likely the story. Seriously: you accept uncritically that Trump goes around grabbing unknown women by their privates?

>>No, because in general, state media should be taken with a grain of salt, and even more so in non-Democratic countries.

Lots of things should be taken with a grain of salt, and ad hominem write-offs do not make the Chinese wrong. Are they correct that 30 major dailies openly support Clinton but none support Trump? Is the "ugly unity" real?

FWIW, yesterday's analysis of finance filings requiring declaration of donations more than $200, showed that media people donated $382,000 to HRC's campaign compared to $14,000 to Trump. You can guess what he'll have to say about that. Do you think it's smart for media people to give 96% of donations to HRC and then attack Trump for suggesting they favor Hillary?

>>Have you been reading about what the press faces at Trump rallies? How Trump revs up the crowd against the press? For example:

You say to take state media with a grain of salt but now you quote the MSM saying negative things about Trump rallies. There is video footage out there showing chanting and booing, but where is the footage of the frightening aggression claimed by MSM victims? Perhaps nobody in the media has a microphone or camera to record it. Or perhaps there's a reason why those Trump supporters are chanting "tell the truth."

>>He has also talked about "opening up" libel laws: http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/26/media/donald-trump-libel-laws/
>>He is a unique threat to press freedom.

According to the press. But from your own citation: 'The late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said in 2012 that he "abhors" the ruling [that requires proof of malice before you can sue media for libel,] saying it gives news organizations the freedom to "libel public figures at will so long as somebody told you something."'

In context, surely it's obvious where Trump is coming from after the NY Times published unsubstantiated claims and then publicly strutted and celebrated Trump's inability to do anything about it. They did *exactly* what Scalia described. Presumably Scalia also was a "unique" threat to press freedom?

>>Here's a well-known columnist telling her story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/when-women-feel-that-hand-begin-to-creep/2016/10/14/cd5b8cd2-9234-11e6-9c85-ac42097b8cc0_story.html?utm_term=.cfb20b33cd1c

Tamar, I see a story of later regret for what she put up with (briefly) at the time. Point is, she did put up with it and it's not fair to rewrite history, even for best of motives. What we can do, is ensure that (as you note) young women today are more forthright and won't put up with nonsense. Your generation has succeeded marvelously: protection against sexual predation is ingrained in most modern employment best practices with hanky panky with underlings defined as serious misconduct in most firms. So here's my question: Trump must employ thousands of young women. Where are the claims that he did the octopus on them? My "pick" is that modern protective practices cut both ways, preventing both abuse and Trumped-up accusations of it.
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yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
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