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R.I.P. Fidel Castro
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06/12/2016 09:24:42
 
 
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05/12/2016 14:16:39
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
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>>>No, his appointments aren't in line with what he said. They're more in line with Pence's extreme right-wing agenda.
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>If what you fear turns out to be true, I think people like MA and KG and BF will be on your side. But for now, clearly burning and protesting hasn't achieved anything and nor will the Wisconsin recount achieve anything except putting those good people to considerable inconvenience, so there's no choice but to wait and see. Those who plan to squall incessantly should expect the door to be closed on their racket. Wouldn't you do that?
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Peaceful protest is never inappropriate. Violent protest almost always is.

>>>I'm talking about basic civil rights, like not being fired from your job for being gay; like being able to visit your spouse in the hospital and having control over what happens if your spouse can't make those decisions; like being considered the parent of your child. The people Trump is appointing oppose all that.
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>I have a question for you: if a Catholic doctor declines on religious grounds to participate in anything to do with abortion, are they haters of women or discriminating against the rights of others? Should the state be empowered to force their participation?
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No, they shouldn't be able to be forced. OTOH, a hospital should be able to say that we can't hire you if you won't perform the tasks that go with the job.


>What about an order of Nuns that objects on religious grounds to a healthcare plan that includes contraceptives? Should they be forced to comply?
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Depends what kind of business they're running. If it's purely for employees in their convent, that's one thing. If they're running a business that has nothing to do with their religion, then yeah, they have to behave like any other employer.

>What about a small Muslim bakery that doesn't want to cater for a gay event, quoting passages like Hadith 38:4447 when challenged? Should they be called hateful with the state empowered to force the bigots to comply?

Depends on what you mean by "cater for." If people come into the bakery and want to buy items the bakery sells, then the bakery should have to sell to them. When you start getting into custom items, it's a little more complicated.

Tamar
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