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Not exactly bribery but close enough
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21/12/2016 09:50:10
 
 
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Politics
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Elections
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>2) Trump did not, by any definition, have a landslide, despite his claims of one. I'm arguing about this because we're about to have a President who regularly lies and expects to be believed and who wants to use those lies to advance his agenda. For example, his speeches for quite a while have talked about how the US has the highest murder rate in 40 years. It's a total lie, but if he gets people to believe it, then down the road, he can use the real statistics to claim that whatever he has done has lowered the murder rate. Similarly, if he convinces people that he had a landslide (and already a majority of Republicans believe he won the popular vote), he gains political capital. Since I think virtually everything he wants to do is bad for the US and the world, I want him to have as little political capital as possible.
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>Once again, you forgot that little "IMO" in front of your statement. Unless, of course, you can show me some hard facts that support your opinion here. Hint: Hard facts do not include opinion pieces in the New York Times or Huffington Post. Unless you are able to provide proof for your statements, you really should explicitly state that they are your opinions and not real truths.

Not sure what in what I said requires citation, but here goes:

1) Regarding a landslide, since he lost the popular vote, he clearly didn't have one there. As for the electoral college vote, he got 56.5% of electors. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_Electoral_College_margin, that's 46 out of 58 elections. Hard to call that a landslide or a victory of historic proportions.

2) As for the murder rate, https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_rate_per_100000_inhabitants_1994-2013.xls. This only goes back 20 years, but it shows that in 1993, the murder and non-negligent manslaughter rate in the US was 9%. In 2013, it was 4.5%.

Here's a NY Times article about the fact that the rate did go up in 2015: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/27/us/murder-crime-fbi.html?_r=0. But note:

"The murder rate last year was far below the levels of 30 to 40 years ago, when violent crime, fueled partly by gang violence during the crack cocaine epidemic, reached a peak. The overall 3.9 percent increase in violent crime in 2015 was lower than levels from five and 10 years ago, the F.B.I. said."

Tamar
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