That is what I needed. Had read it in UT before, but remembered incorrectly that it was the Height and Width property. My invisible1 form is hieight=0 and width=104. Any thoughts on what is a good left and top value? Also, do you need to set both left and top?

Thanks - Brenda

>Set the Left and Top properties of the form to values that will position the form off the screen.

>>Will spare ya'll (southern speak) the gory details of why I need a form that can not be seen, except that I have the need to take focus from several forms before routine1. Would like to have a generic invisible1 form. Before routine1 I would "invisible1.show()". Then after the routine "invisible1.release()".
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>>Set the invisible.Height = 0, but the blue bar still shows. Any ideas?
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>>Thanks - Brenda