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05/02/2017 21:50:29
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
 
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>>I get it that your comment is meant to be facetious, though surely, I think you'd agree that Japan, Saudi Arabia, etc are not obligated to subscribe to American or even western values, so they'd probably care very little about any protests outside of their borders.

Hang on. The Koran and Hadith contain numerous references to succoring your brother, where brother is defined to mean any fellow Muslim. There's no obligation to assist we infidels (quite the opposite in fact) but surely rich Muslim nations have just as much if not *more* moral obligation to help their Syrian brothers? Surely you are not saying that doing to others as you would have them do unto you, is not a purely Western morality? I suppose I could scream "bigot" for proposing otherwise. Meanwhile Japanese have highly developed morality totally consistent with Western values and in many ways superior if you look at crime rates and thrift. The Japanese are highly reliable and generous when it comes to assisting others and it's simply unfair (racist?) to suggest otherwise.

>>The failure of the world to deal with the complexities of the conflict in Syria where - Assad and the Russians supporting him, the anti-Assad rebels, ISIS with Iran fighting them and supporting Assad - have all been competing forces... in which the US hesitated to intervene, is really something that Trump is very unlikely to fix by himself. He'd need all the allies he can get, and possibly many of them in the Muslim world.

Muslim nations that themselves have total bans on Israelis and Syrians refugees, cannot hold American feet to the fire or use Trump's edict an excuse not to cooperate. Unless hypocrisy also only applies to Westerners? And we don't yet know whether Trump can cooperate with the Russians. Under Obama the relationship was decidedly frosty and HRC would have been worse, so it's no wonder the 2 nations with ability to discipline just about anybody else except China, haven't cooperated to get Syria sorted years ago. Of course the Obama administration would say that the Russians are devious and unreliable (which would cause violent protest if Trump said something like that) but BF has been telling us that NY property moguls are just as bad, so maybe Putin and Trump will recognize a kindred spirit and cut to the chase. Who knows. I hope so - the best places for the Syrians is at home rebuilding their lives with good will and support from decent first-world nations of every colour and creed. The alternative that hundreds of thousands of refugees can be deposited in quaint Norwegian villages or Mid-West towns while factions are allowed to fight back and forward in Syria, doesn't make a lot of sense IMHO if we sit down and think it through.
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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