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Betsy Devos is the Secretary of Education
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>>>>>IMO a major flaw in the US system is that the head of state is a political role that leads to the idea that opposition to the govt in hand is refusing allegiance or unpatriotic.
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>>>Can you provide a citation for this idea?
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>>>What I've seen: "not my president" and "this is war" protestors are refusing allegiance to democratically elected government figures. This is anti-democratic. The POTUS is the POTUS so if you're a US resident, he *is* your president and "waging war" against him, actually is sedition.
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>>Perhaps you're not looking at it close enough. Does 'not my president' just mean that you don't support his ideals or does it mean you dont think his presidency is legitimate? I do not know of any movement in the USA claiming he is an illegitimate president (unlike what Trump himself did in regards to Obama for 8 years) - so 'not my president' seems more like protected free speech than sedition ('This president does not represent me or my beliefs about the USA - hence not my president). As far as 'waging war' against him - this is referring to a war of ideals, not a armed revolutionary war against the government. This isn't sedition or treason - this is how the USA works - checks and balances. 3 branches of government to keep each other in check. Now of course Trump is somewhat clueless to how government works and doesn't seem to comprehend that he is not a king or a dictator and he has already been shut down by the judicial branch over his stupid Muslim ban. But it's very important for the people to stand up and shout and protest when he does something dumb like this - or tries to appoint white supremacist as Attorney General, or someone with no experience that bought their way into the job as Secretary of Education, or appoint the guy who wants to eliminate the department of energy to head it, or attempt an illegal action like banning Muslims from entering the USA, or ....or good God it's only 3 weeks into this the list is already too long for me to list here. Just because you don't support Trump doesn't mean you're refusing allegiance to the USA or unpatriotic - in fact quite the opposite is true.
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>I agree with everything you said, Victor.
>This country is founded on the idea that we have a duty to protest against disagreeable actions by leaders

>This time however, I've seen more protests against the leader than against his actions.

I don't think so. His actions, statements, racist actions and comments, pattern of how the treats women and the fact he is a pathological liar are part of the reason - all of those are his actions. Maybe not all political actions, but his actions as a human being - which of course have a huge effect on our diplomatic relations across the world. The actions he's taken appointing incompetent people and of course his Muslim ban - these are some off the political actions that have resulted in mass unrest and protest. But at the end of the day its protests against his actions.

>That's still OK, but it sounds more like talk radio than political activity.

It sounds to me more like this is what happens when you end up with someone who is simply NOT fit to be president for a massive number of reasons.
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