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23/02/2017 20:10:21
John Ryan
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>>Since Trump has spoken so forcefully using xenophobic and divisive rhetoric,

> Citations please?

I put some of them at the end of this message. Of course, you'd find them on the web, including video clips.

>> should he be expected to speak as emphatically against antisemitic acts?

> He's just a man in his first 30 days in office. I note you don't quote Oren's jest that it takes 6 months to find the toilets when you take over the White House.

Oh, the humanity! Seriously now, he should prepare about dealing with/cleaning up the mess created by his campaign speeches. I know, listen to what he does, not what he says. I looked at the list of accomplishments. At this point, what he said and says is still a much bigger liability for him then the credit he can claim for his accomplishments.

> The irony is that if it's so easy to tweet or issue banal statements about atrocities - then why attach such moment to them? Oren paraphrases that what matters is the action, not the platitudes, yet in some quarters the sole focus seems to be loud virtue-signaling or you're Hitler.

Let the average guy see the banal tweet condemning atrocities. It would have still carried a lot of weight.
Here is an example drawing attention: http://people.com/human-interest/muslims-raise-money-jewish-cemetery-missouri/
Let me see his tweet about that.

>>Why does he have to take it personally every time? That's what makes him incompetent when it comes to things like this.

> What did he take personally this time? You mean the question? As I said before, it was a long rambling question. Here's the lesson I see: as a reporter, you can wax lyrical in print or website or onscreen. But in a time-contrained Trump press conference, if you want to ask a question: you'd better be succinct. "Jews are being targeted across the nation with bomb threats. As POTUS, can you reassure not just Jews but all decent Americans and warn the evil-doers that we will not tolerate their behavior?" That would have been a softball for Trump. How hard is that?

The lesson for Trump should be that when a Jewish reporter begins asking a question, you care and listen to the end, especially when he starts with a concern about rising antisemitic activities... I know this, and I only have Jewish friends, not family like Trump. He misinterpreted the question, took it personally, and in the end the answer was a mess that's left for people like Oren to cleanup.

>>This is the guy who claimed that Obama was the founder of ISIS.

> Have you seen this? http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

> Or this https://youtu.be/piN_MNSis1E ? Okaidi was the key man through whom US arms and money to the Syrian opposition flowed in 2012, and Abu Jandal was one of the highest ranking ISIS commanders on whom the US subsequently turned towards the end of the previous administration, killing him in an airstrike in December. The previous administration had regarded ISIS as a strategic asset against Assad while Russia and Iran support Assad who currently seems likely to come out on top, meaning the principal US contribution is refugees,the rise of ISIS and a Syrian leader grateful to/aligned with Iran and Russia. One option for Trump is to repudiate what came before and join with Russia to stabilise Syria, which is a cymical explanation for the dismay from the outgoing administration when it applied sanctions and expelled Russian diplomat families expecting the relationship to tank... and Putin rose above it.

BTW, Obama was blamed that he didn't do *enough* to arm the rebels... but that's the subject of another thread. Obama was not the founder of ISIS, and Trump was appalling in making that statement.
Before speculating on circumstantial tribal alliances, here is a piece of history for that area and its people:
http://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/news-wires-white-papers-and-books/prejudice-iraq-shiites-sunni-and-kurds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin
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Here are the citations you required in the beginning:

* Trump accepting nomination in Manhattan, NY
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

*CNN Interview
Donald Trump doubled down on his claim that the judge presiding over the Trump University lawsuit is treating him unfairly because of the judge's "Mexican heritage."

* Campaign rally in Birmingham, Alabama
“Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering,” refering to Muslims...

* Rally in Mount Pleasant, S.C.
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. ..."

* Rally in Wilmington, North Carolina
"By the way, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks," Trump said about the potential power rival Hillary Clinton could have to nominate Supreme Court justices. "Although the Second Amendment people -- maybe there is, I don't know," he told supporters.

* Rally in Sioux Center, Iowa
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot people and I wouldn't lose voters,"

* Interview with Anderson Cooper on CNN
"I think Islam hates us," Trump said after he was asked whether he thinks Islam is at war with the West. "There's a tremendous hatred. We have to get to the bottom of it. There is an unbelievable hatred of us."

* Aug 2016, after he was asked to explain his initial statement that "Obama is the founder of ISIS"
"I meant that Obama founded ISIS, literally"... "and she is the co-founder."

* Rally in Delaware, OH - after the debate where he didn't admit of accepting upcoming election results
"I would like to promise and pledge to all of my voters and supporters and to all of the people of the United States that I will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election, ... If I win."

He was also mostly silent about the way his comments are perceived (even though he tweets frantically when something's not to his liking), and mostly blind to the way the more extreme alt-right interpret his views and campaign rhetoric against Muslims and Mexican immigrants.

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