>>when I think of Marcia - she was tough as nails. I can be tough when I need to be, but she was really tough.

She was good at what she did. Sometimes that comes with tricky personality.

I can think of one person here who had particular reason to feel that toughness keenly - you will know who I mean - so hopefully that chapter now can close.

As noted, I intend to focus on the positives, including some very helpful work in her books and extremely strong responses to questions. Many here would have benefited from these contributions.

The other one who is very much alive but springs to mind, is Lisa Slater-Nicholls. Both strong women who shone bright in the FP era. And then there's Tamar and plenty of others who still carry the flag. Misogynous tech geeks take note: there were no glass ceilings in the Fox world!