>Will spare ya'll (southern speak) the gory details of why I need a form that can not be seen, except that I have the need to take focus from several forms before routine1. Would like to have a generic invisible1 form. Before routine1 I would "invisible1.show()". Then after the routine "invisible1.release()".
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>Set the invisible.Height = 0, but the blue bar still shows. Any ideas?

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How about settings TOP=-100, LEFT=-100?