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>> Engineers tend to evaluate things as whether they're "good enough".
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>There are users from heaven and there are users who are from...
>well, not from heaven.
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>I've worked with a lot of users but never had a satisfactory design session with a user who was an engineer.
>(my son is a PE and so is my daughter-in-law - structural- both stellar people but horrid users)
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>>Every jurisdiction has drivers who are absolute menaces. Multiple drunk driving convictions, driving while prohibited, driving causing death or serious injury. I see a niche in the near future where these individuals are given self driving cars (which can't be manually controlled) and prohibited from using any other, on pain of (here in Canada) being declared a dangerous offender and imprisoned permanently. It would probably be cheaper to do that than to imprison them, and might remove a lot of the incentive they currently have to drive when prohibited.
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>Permanent imprisonment is not more threatening than 5 years in prison.
>The binary choice of death or imprisonment was never relevant.

Up here, with a 5 year sentence the light is visible at the end of the tunnel almost from the get-go: https://www.canada.ca/en/parole-board/services/parole/types-of-conditional-release.html

But, if these individuals live in the moment and can't see past the end of the week, then you may be right.

Maybe the free-car carrot would help, though. How best to protect the public?

>Banishing these people to an island with no cars or roads makes more sense, although I can envision a dialogue like this in 1860 about incorrigibly reckless horsemen or sheep herders.

Interesting, but no doubt would fall foul of "cruel and unusual" etc. Even Easter Island and Tristan da Cunha have roads: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3601020/Perfect-job-world-s-laziest-mechanic-25k-year-role-offered-planet-s-remote-inhabited-island-just-one-road-leads-potato-patch.html