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Obamacare: and so it begins
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05/07/2017 01:08:18
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
 
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Politics
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Health
Miscellaneous
Thread ID:
01652327
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>> The states are providing public information - what they're not coughing up is things like SS numbers and other such personal information - many called the request an invasion of privacy and said Trump has yet to provide proof of voter fraud in their states or elsewhere.

Actually some states refuse to provide any information, even publicly available information like the requested last 4 digits of SS (rather than whole SS falsely asserted to justify faux outrage) while others (like Wisconsin) say the requested information is available to anybody willing to pay the fee.

For the rest, how can *anybody* provide proof of voter fraud without reviewing who is eligible and who voted? Which is why there's an investigation. If the investigation can't find any fraud, then you can hold your head high- and why block it?! If people really do value privacy of their own public information more highly than validation of democracy, then a formal ID process as used in most of the free world, will need to be instituted.

>> This is yet another example of stupidity on Trump's part to begin with - he wants an investigation into a nothing thing.

By this logic, Trump could accuse you of stupidity and refuse to participate/fire everybody in his own Russian "nothing thing." Imagine the screeching if Trump tried to apply this sort of logic.

>> Last I heard 41 of the 50 states fell into this category - so it goes back to who do you want to believe here?

I reviewed CA processes myself and cannot be bullied or straw- manned that there's no chance of voter fraud in CA. There's a huge risk since any non-citizen who gains a state license can vote by simply turning up, with very little chance of being caught. The mere risk of corruption of democracy should justify more checking or oversight. It's not good enough to declare there's no fraud simply because you want it to be so and are good at calling people names unless the states themselves are investigating. When investigations do occur they tend to find dead people voting diligently along with non-citizens who insist they thought they are allowed to vote. FWIW, many states have more robust processes than CA and less chance of voter fraud so if CA won't cooperate, CA needs federal assistance to ensure the integrity of the Republic.
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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