>>>>>>>>>>FWIW, NZ was the first Western nation to sign a Free Trade Agreement with China- after being unable to get one with the US for decades. Strong and growing Chinese presence in NZ now. Just saying.
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>>>>>>>>>Exactly.
>>>>>>>>>They are cleaning our clocks.
>>>>>>>>>The US is trying to use military power. The Chinese are deal makers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yep....
>>>>>>>>I think they're importing more oil than the USA now too, and for that matter I think they import more oil from the USA than anyone else now too. Plus they're the world's leading country in electricity production from renewable energy (double ours). Meanwhile we have Trump - who thinks we need coal not solar and wind and considers himself a 'deal maker' - ha! At this rate they will leave us in the dust.
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>>>>>>>Remember what I said last winter: you didn't like Bernie, now learn to love Trump.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Really, what would Bernie do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What I find shocking is that Trump still has a 30% approval rating. Who the heck are these 30%?? Folks who like it when they're lied to or what??? It's that or people too dumb to realize that they're being conned.
>>>>>
>>>>>On NK nuclear weapons- President Bill Clinton, Seoul, Korea as reported in the NYT July 13,1993
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>>>>>“we would quickly and overwhelmingly retaliate.”
>>>>>“It would mean the end of their country as they know it,”
>>>>>
>>>>>On China's renewable power-
>>>>>renewable power about 25% of total - Hydro about 80% of the 25%. So they built a lot of dams- about 50 in the last 10 years! Try and get the construction of a new dam approved in the US.
>>>>>BTW Coal about 73% of China's total
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>>>>There you go again: citing facts in the thread where Victor cares only about his partisan feelings :)
>>>
>>>I'm citing facts as well.
>>>http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/05/china-renewables-energy-climate-change-pollution-environment/
>>>http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/18/technology/china-us-clean-energy-solar-farm/index.html
>>>https://www.sciencealert.com/a-chinese-province-just-ran-on-100-renewable-energy-for-7-days
>>>
>>>...etc etc etc.
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>>Yes, the facts are on both sides of the argument.
>>But if you see a fact that goes against your agenda, you will quickly overlook it and never cite it here :)
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>If one has nothing to do with the other why would I mention it? If I say the sky is blue and you claim that I'm ignoring the fact the ocean is blue too, and that therefor I have some hidden agenda - that is kinda laughable.

Are you ever afraid that you are so far to the left that you may fall off the earth? :)