>Thanks.
>
>It seems difficult to work with the toolbar visually - the toolbar in developer mode is like it is in production - it wants to resize and move about the controls as I am working. And then the separator does not show up at all (and there does not seem to be a way to make them visible). I wonder if it might be easier for me to add the controls programmatically.

That's what I'd do - create a little builder... in command window :).

modi form mytoolbar
aselobj(aa)
oT=aa[1]
ot.newobject("cmdFirst", "myFirstButtonClass", "buttons.vcx")
ot.newobject...
ot.newobject("sep1", "separator")
ot.newobject...

and so on.