>>>Some like the post office are provided for in the Constitution but most are not.
>Slavery was provided for in the constitution.
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>>>I draw social security but only because it was forced on me. Compare the benefits that the 6-8% of the US population that got out from SS and SSDI have with their alternate plans and those under SS and SSDI. Whole states like those bastions of conservatism Oregon and Colorado tried to get out but were prevented by the 1983 law.
>>>Libraries, police, fire departments, schools and buses - state or local.
>>>Interstates - federal others state or local
>>>FDA state - unless impact is on other states
>>>free lunch programs - When I was growing up there were no free lunch programs but I never knew of any kid that didn't eat. There were always some that had to stop by the teachers desk to get the quarter that "their parents had left for them" but they ate. Same thing with Savings Stamp Day every kid had at least a dime to buy a stamp. No federal programs that sucked up 60% of the money in "administration". Remember too that I grew up on the "wrong side of the tracks" - you know Jacksonville downtown, North East Springfield, Brentwood Park Project, Panama Park kids.
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>>You clearly do not understand the word "socialism" because you're attempting to say these socialist things are not socialist. That is not an uncommon problem in the USA so I'll let you slide on that and just tell you that you need to learn something about it.
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>I agree
>My local garbage collection is socialized.
>You and I are typing over the internet - a socialized resource if ever there was one.
>Marx went further by stating that the state should control all the means of production.
>That's been tried and it doesn't work.

Yep - Marx was to the point where it was more of communism than socialism.... heck even China seems to of adopted capitalist methods and reforms in order to stimulate economic growth.