>>>Won't do you any good unless you have the RSA code and fob thingy - which changes every 30 seconds.
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>More whataboutism? I assume your "2 seconds" involves session hijacking of some other user, in which case you can also use their default saved browser credentials (or grab them) and use saved Cisco endpoint credentials. It's even easier if you can get access to a phone with saved credentials. Scoop 'em up and come back later.

Yeah it doesn't work like that. Person starts VPN app and it kills all other internet traffic on the machine,enters VPN password, then if all is good they can enter the RSA key. ...so not really something that can be hijacked from the internet as no traffic other than the local intranet is allowed at that point. There are no browser credentials of any use outside the intranet.

>>>The data here is not just Hawaii's, there are other states as well, including California - so it's a huge amount of data. Massive I.T. division and the big-wigs that call the shots do not want user-facing applications based upon non-supported development tools like VFP - and I can understand that point of view.
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>My experience is that unless you're providing something extraordinary, it's the database that gets (and deserves) the attention once you're into massive data volumes. The rest is a commodity exercise to get useful stuff in and out.

Interesting. Our experiences differ I guess. Here they care about both.

>>>If it was me I'd be pushing SQL Server and all the .NET development tools. SQL Server 2017 runs on Windows and Linux.
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>You're talking as if VFP and SQL Server are mutually exclusive. And to use NET on devices needing no OS license you're looking at up to $2k per developer for Xamarin or a web app that puts programmers between data and experts who know what they want.

But VFP is not supported whereas SQL Serer is. You asked what would I do if I was Microsoft - and Microsoft does not want to sell VFP - it wants to sell SQL Server. Frankly I don't know what I would do if I was Microsoft. For the sake of what we're talking about I don't think it really matters what Microsoft wants.

>>>If you're an I.T. director you going to waste money on a bunch of windows server licenses when you don't need them anymore? MS can try to push Terminal server and Windows Sever licenses but that combination to me seems like a lost cause.
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>Windows continues to dominate on desktop- which means most of the analysis of your purported data warehouse, since few analysts can work with small screens. Unless you're advocating Macs via Razor or a Safari app at the cost of multiplying complexity, or one of the new Samsung phone desktop trick shots, Windows rules. I can't think of a healthcare client with anything except PC on desktop- inside their firewall. But outside? Now there are different cues, especially if users need to query data or have indeterminate devices at home.

Again our experiences differ greatly. Here there are many ChromeBooks and doctors and nurses using Macs, iPads and iPhones. Mostly windows PC's though for office staff - but I see more Apple and Android stuff all the time. And really - if you're talking about using RDP - what difference does it make? There are clients for Apple and Android too.

>>>If they have 2,000+ users it just cost them an extra 1/4 million bucks in license fees and you're going to be maintaining a pool of Windows Servers and user accounts too.
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>As opposed to what? What's your nirvana for managing 2000 users without user accounts in groups or supervision?

As opposed to not having to pay an extra 1/4 million dollars to have access to an antiquated desktop app and have a windows admin create and delete user accounts all day long when SuzyQ in HR can do it from a website.

>>>But who wants you to develop an app for them using a language that is no longer supported?
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>As far as I know, VC++14.1 (released in March 2017) should be supported for a wee while yet. As for the 4GL- it's just a nominative form, same as EDTASM once was for assembly. Who cares if the original interpreter is gone if you can compile to VC++14.1 . Surely you wouldn't argue that gasoline is obsolete because it comes from dinosaurs that went extinct ages ago?

VFP is not VC++, and VFP would be the development language yes? The client will care. Or at least the ones I've known sure care.

>>>They will just move on to the next consultant who uses the latest tools. Sure you can run across a client that is clueless or doesn't care - but that is doing them a dis-service by using non-supported development tools with an ever-shrinking pool of developers. And then there is the matter of what people want - and now days what they want is a browser app, not a desktop app. If you're trying to score a new client or keep an old one - and tell them you're going to give them a new Windows desktop app written in VFP that they can hit via RDP -- the competition for that contract is going to eat you alive.
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>Of course your prospects depend on matching the client's IT policies if you're bidding for work on their software or database. But if you're selling licenses for apps that do useful work or are contracted to provide a service, your anecdote doesn't apply.

But it does:
Contractor A: I will write you an app in VFP, compile it with VC++, and give you remote desktop access so you can use this desktop app via whatever machine you want with an RDP client:
Contractor B: Oh they want to do that? VFP is no longer supported, the compiler their using isn't even made by Microsoft - it was put together by a single Chinese hacker, and as matter of fact it violates the licence agreements with Microsoft. Oh and you'll have to pay around $150 per user for that RDP client to access that antiquated application. I will create you a web app using all the latest technology that you can use from pretty much any browser as well as smart phones if you need mobile apps. Oh and it doesn't break any license agreements nor require 1/4 million dollars with of licences and a pile of windows servers either.

Now how do you think that's gonna go dude? You think Contractor A is going to walk away with the deal? Hell no - he will be laughed right out the door.