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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The emails were clear on this though -- offering dirt on HRC from the Russian government, and Trump saying "I love it", then setting up the meeting...- I don't see how any juror would be able to successfully argue otherwise.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Is love a crime now, too?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No - but taking the meeting was without a doubt a crime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What crime did he commit?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I already stated which law he broke (which is 52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510) , quoted the law, and went in depth about it in this thread....so rather than repeating myself, please refer to that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>You can read the statute in question here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>This says that I can't couldn't take money from foreigners.
>>>>>>>>>>>Do you think that foreigners gave him money?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Read my other post where I explain all this -- it DOES NOT MATTER if he actually got anything of value - he broke the law by taking the meeting to solicit the information of value.
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>>>>>>>>>>(g)Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.
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>>>>>>>>>>...that section along with a dozen others that mention all this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It sounds to me that he had to have solicited something of monetary value.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>...nope - read it all again. It can be anything of value -- and obviously information is of high value.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm unusually dense today.
>>>>>>>I don't see what you mean, could you point it out?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>..sure - note the "or other thing of value" part here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
>>>>>
>>>>>OK.
>>>>>I read that.
>>>>>Further down, they go into quite a bit of detail about what a thing of value might be...
>>>>>such as an office building (as if Trump needed one of them)
>>>>>Nowhere does it mention gossip or scandalous emails.
>>>>>So, let's say that John Ryan told Jr that Hillary was having an affair with Bernie Sanders - would that have been enough to get Jr locked up?
>>>>
>>>>It says anything of value. The rest is a hypothetical that's irrelevant.
>>>
>>>OK. Please tell me what the thing of value - that Jr agreed to meet about- was that meets the description you cited.
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>>Most legal experts agree that the information he was promised from the Kremlin and Russian government by the Russian lawyer was indeed 'something of value'.
>>
>>Email to Trump Jr from Rob Goldstone:
>>".....Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
>>The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
>>This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
>>What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?....."
>>
>>Trump Jr responded...
>>"....Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?...."
>>
>>
>>...then setup the meeting at Trump tower with a Russian lawyer connected to the Kremlin with the intent of getting the dirt. Then went on national T.V. and said he took the meeting for the sole purpose of getting the dirt siting 'opposition research' -- thus he admitted to the crime.
>
>OK
>He clearly loves the dirt the Russians have and wants it.
>Can you show me in the statute that you cite where that dirt would be included as something prohibited?
>They go into some exhaustive detail about what is prohibited and I can't find anything that would cover this.

I already pointed this out...here where it says "or other thing of value"

b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

..in conjunction with this:

(g)Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.

..means Trump Jr broke the law just by accepting and attending the meeting with the intent to get dirt on HRC from the Russian government via a Kremlin connected Russian lawyer -- which is proven by the emails he released and the interviews he's given.
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