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18/02/2018 16:26:11
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., Nouvelle Zélande
 
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>>Russia meddled with the election, Americans helped him do it. Do you believe this or not?

Rosenstein added a rider wrt this straw you're grasping at. Do you believe him or not?

>>You appear to be in denial. The walls around Trump are crumbling down - people are being indicted, some are pleading guilty - Trump is committing obstruction of justice to try to save himself and his family. Open your eyes.
..and the world is not the same as it was 40 years ago. Times have changed, technology has changed, the internet has come to the masses. People have changed, society has changed. Sorry you got left behind and don't like it anymore. Most of the foul-mouthed vindictiveness is from people unable or unwilling to accept things like interracial marriage, a black man or a woman for president, same sex marriage, etc.... ya know - the womanizers, bigots and racists that Trump appeals to -aka the deplorables.

LOL. Your problem is that I'm in a nation whose pregnant prime minister has a photo ed in next month's Vogue in which she's called the anti-Trump. You can't roll me up into a "deplorable" package as easily you do your own countryfolk. ;-) I get to say what I see.

https://www.vogue.com/article/jacinda-ardern-new-zealand-prime-minister-vogue-march-2018-issue

FWIW, she had a cat called "Paddles" that interfered in the congratulatory call to her from Donald Trump by mewling, before it was run over in a driveway. You could not make this stuff up. ;-)

NZ has some other history. Over the years, we keep catching other nations trying to interfere in policy decisions and elections. Including the US that slipped funding into pro-nuclear campaigners before an election where nuclear weapon free status was turning into a policy. When it happened, the US then punished NZ by blocking it from the ANZUS coordinated military/navy efforts for almost 20 years. Meanwhile France that also wanted to test its nukes in Bikini atoll in the Pacific, sank a Greenpeace nuclear protest ship in Auckland harbour which is an act of war. The bombers were caught and convicted, but apart from a few South Pacific nations, the rest of the world turned a blind eye to this state-sanctioned terrorism. France then bullied NZ into releasing the terrorists or face market penalties in the EU. With no support, the terrorists were released, with one of them setting up lucrative business as an government familiar arms dealer in Washington DC. So now we learn that the Russians tried to interfere in US elections- and my response is, what else would you expect. You do it to them too- in fact, the US probably has the most enthusiastic history of interfering in other nations' elections.

So IMHO Russian interference in the elections isn't the huge fuss you'd like it to be. It also happened on Obama's watch, not Trump's, so any lack of attention belongs at that door- and like screams of "racisim!" it loses its impact unless it means something terrible. What the Russian puppets forgot is that after over a year of crying wolf every day, shrieks like "racist!" and "Russia!" are losing their effect. Seems to me that if you were to yell "racist" or "collude with Russia" at many of your fellow citizens in 2018, they'd roll their eyes and get on with whatever matters in their lives.

As for gun control: it needs to move past slogans and rousing speeches. A few facts wouldn't hurt either: for example, for every person killed with a rifle, 4 or 5 are killed with a handgun. Including cities like Chicago with some of the most pronounced gun control in the US, yet with massive black on black handgun crime rates.

In fact, it appears there are more murders using knives and clubs than rifles in the US. And yet the rhetoric seems to revolve around limits on semi auto rifles.

Here's the concern I'd have in your shoes: imposing controls on semi-auto weapons certainly makes it a lot harder to conduct mass shootings at schools or other events. If that's your goal- to prevent these high profile mass shootings- then focus on rifles and then you can go back to normal, with huge levels of handgun crime in Chicago and elsewhere but who cares, because.... what? Because black lives matter? Why is it OK that there's these huge rates of handgun crime affecting far more blacks than any other demograhic group? Would there be more interest in handguns if it were young white males being massacred?
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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