>>>Will spare ya'll (southern speak) the gory details of why I need a form that can not be seen, except that I have the need to take focus from several forms before routine1. Would like to have a generic invisible1 form. Before routine1 I would "invisible1.show()". Then after the routine "invisible1.release()".
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>>>Set the invisible.Height = 0, but the blue bar still shows. Any ideas?
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>>WARNING! UNTRIED SUGGESTION AHEAD!
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>>How about settings TOP=-100, LEFT=-100?
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>Why not make the form off the screen say fomrname.top = 1250 (my res is 1200X1600) and then its available to you.

Wouldn't this make it sure that the form is out of sight, regardless of resolution:

with thisform
.top=-2*.height
.left=-2*.width
endwith

Well, only one of these would be enough.