>>Arguing this point is like arguing that people shouldn't walk naked in snowstorms.
>>If someone can't get this intuitively:
>>a. they need to see someone soon
>>b. they have some unspoken agenda
FWIW, arguing involves listening to queries or points raised by others, and delivering counter-points or at least acknowledging their examples rather than floating daft straw men and repeating your own talking points more loudly.
Also FWIW: if "it's obvious" were a killer argument, the world "obviously" still would be flat, you can't split an atom and string theory is a crock.
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us."
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
