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From
06/12/2018 13:41:47
Walter Meester
HoogkarspelNetherlands
 
 
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04/12/2018 08:17:57
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Forum:
Visual FoxPro
Category:
Forms & Form designer
Environment versions
Visual FoxPro:
VFP 9 SP2
OS:
Windows 10
Database:
MS SQL Server
Miscellaneous
Thread ID:
01662718
Message ID:
01664213
Views:
103
>>>>>>Am I correct in saying you only advocate activism when you agree with the position? Does obligation lose a moral context if it's not yours?
>>>>
>>>>I believe (though cannot proclaim) that Tamar's reaction is along the lines of reaction to the neighbour who calls emergency services whenever they smell a whiff of smoke or hear a child's shriek.
>>>
>>>A ridiculous comparison, John.
>>>
>>>Chen is violating the law, and people are using his illegal software. It's not a trivial matter.
>>
>>No he's not. He has the right to do this.
>
>When Chen received the software, he agreed to abide by the terms of service. Even if his country allows him to do something otherwise, he clicked through an "I Agree" button to get the software, and he personally agreed to those terms.

There is no other way to install the software. So I also pressed Agree even though I do not agree upon the terms, simply because I have no choice. However the EU laws say that I can happily ignore the parts that are in conflict with the EU law.

>On those merits alone, before an examination of his personal testimony uttered unto this world, he is guilty of violating those terms.

Depends on your angle


>And even if in China he won't be prosecuted because the Chinese government winks at such activities, it remains illegal for us here in the U.S. to receive these products, and probably also in many other nations which do business with the U.S. and have treaties which honor and protect U.S. copyright and IP laws.

Again you're making assumption on which you do not know the legal conclusions. You're fabricating facts here.

>I am truly amazed at the number of people willing to disobey U.S. copyright law when it suits them.

Sigh... This is not about copyright laws. Copyright laws are a lot less restrictive. You are able to decompile, modify and reverse engineer under copyright laws in both the US and EU.
https://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1108&context=btlj
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-05-02/copyright-can-t-block-software-reverse-engineering-court

You are talking about an EULA which is an entirely different topic. EULAs often have unreasonable rules in there which can be redendered as void by law. The law supersedes the restrictions in the EULA in that case. It then is no longer immoral to ignore those rules. Software companies should use respect the rights of consumers.

>It is the truly miserable, despicable, dishonorable behavior on this forum, and especially so in teaching people that it's okay to disobey the law likewise. Such things are weighed against a person's own soul.

Its sickening to see someone without any deep knowledge what an EULA stands for, its legal limitations, accuse others from criminal act without any legal basis and walk like an elephant in a china shop.
You're an ignorant idiot spoiling it for everybody here.
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