>>>>>You are a miserable person. You have no knowledge on the subject and how this applies to china and choose to attack him.
>>>>>Disgusting.
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>>>>Walter, my inquiry to Microsoft was for lawful owners of VFP9 in the U.S., if it was legal for them to download and use Chen's products.
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>>>Sure it is. It actually is a no brainer. If I buy an IPhone which violates a Samsung patent, I can't ever be held responsible for that.
>>>So my US clients cannot ever be held responsible for using software created outside of the juristiction of US law.
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>>>VFP has been discontinued and unsupported for several years now. No-one at Microsoft cares about the product anymore, and now you feel the urge to stir things up and inflict even more damage for the ones who are still using it.
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>>>Disgusting is the word I have for your moral values.Its sickening.
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>>Your attack on Rick is actually what is disgusting. VFP is not discontinued; enhancements to it have been discontinued. VFP 7, 8, and 9 are still sold as part of MSDN. Whether MS care about it or not is not for you to decide.
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>>Your vehemence in denouncing his actions (upon which I do not express any comment myself) belies an underlying uncertainty in your own position. If you were sure of the righteousness of your own position you wouldn't give a damn one way or the other what Rick or anyone else does - why would one. And to try and make this a moral issue is laughable. WTH has this got to do with morals.
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>Jos,
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>I view Ricks snitching action as disgusting and reason to hope for him to get banned.
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>Which is unusual for me - AFAIR I have always argued for lifting a ban (when I entered discussion at all - I view such bans as UT managment prerogative - "their house rules")
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>When Rick came back, I reminded myself not to be my usual somewhat flippant/tongue-in-cheek self and to stay out of religuos discussions.
>I read his posts as he does know quite a bit on technical matters and certainly is not stupid.
>Tried to hint, that his argumentative style smelled a lot like preaching, which might be unwise.
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>That changed when he tried to sick MS lawyers onto Chen. Shows the worst aspect of snitching:
>no personal cost, minimal effort on Ricks side, due to US lawyer cost distribution in litigation cost posssibly substantial danger to Chen if MS was prodded into action.
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>Couple that with the fact that Rick wants/wanted to develop a product competing in customers target with Chens products, Occams Razor resolves this as an attempt to put stones onto the path of a competitor at least, eliminate him via lawyer cost from the market at best.
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>Spicing the "code smell" (in German language code smell can be heard as "excrement stink" if pronounced sloppy) is the fact that Rick fired off his email to MS quickly after a post - chances are Chen probably did not read that post before mail was sent. Rick did not contact Chen directly via mail before going into action - which I ascertained before shaving with Occams famous tool on possible motives.
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>This changed my opinion on Rick coming to UT. As my attempt to enhance blocking options to exclude him from reading any of my posts was not realized, I think UT would be a better place if he was banned.
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>I willl not try to goad him via snide remarks into relapsing into religuos arguments (not my style), will not add a Cato the elder-alike statement to my signature asking for him to sent into exile (relegatio would more fitting than exilium), not even try to prod directly UT into action as I am ot a paying member.
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>But I would not allow him to sit at my table (think italian restaurant, not Oktoberfest table with benches...) and will openly express my opinion that I think he should be sent off ground to other customers - knowing that he can offer relevant technical info, but that pales beside his snitching action, which could be repeated with other means and other targets.
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>Long time ago Kevin received a msg that someone was boarding a plane with a samurai sword IIRC.
>Probably caused at least consternation, if not worry - but does not compare with the danger of lawyer cost, as Rick really sent the mail.
>I doubt there was a corresponding boarding a plane, even without sword... Was reason to ban.
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>Add to that the diminishing of Chens product by repeatedly labeling it illegal and other derogatory terms, without a court decision to back him up ***on that particular case***, even without asking a lawyer specialising on that area in advance... I will not mirror such behaviour and declare such utterings to be slanderous or libel. But if a court would find it such, I would concur with the verdict from my very personal POV.
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>Therefore I think Walters post is emotional, but the most disgusting about the topic was Ricks attempt at smearing a competitor by snitching he (IMO) tried to sell as a public service.
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>YMMV
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>Thomas


Listen to gray hairs, Thomas:
a. Rick can send things to MS whether or not he's a member of UT.
b. Hearing what people say is better than not hearing it
c. If you don't agree with b no one is making you read his posts.
d. Yes, it's annoying, but does it really matter?