>>>Trade deal (which isn't even ratified yet) does not result in money going into the Treasury John -- it's pretty simple dude. Trump lied no matter how you look at it.
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>Show me where Trump said the trade deal (or Mexico) would cut a check in advance, which is the absurd straw man you have assigned to him.

It's not a matter of paying for it in advance or after it's built - it's that the trade deal does not pay for the wall at all. Any money that is made as a result of any trade deal is going to go to the import and export companies. Now if the claim is that it will 'indirectly' pay for the wall in additional tax revenue - that too is false for a whole slew of reasons aside from simply doing the math on it... if it even worked that way. And lets not forget that the trade deal isn't even a treaty yet it hasn't even been verified and once (and IF) it is, it could be different. So how can he say the wall is paid for by something that doesn't even exist? And if it it did exist, it would not pay for it anyway. He lied no matter how you look at it.

>FWIW, IMHO his latest version that Mexico will indirectly pay for the wall via the trade deal (with "indirectly" being a word fact checkers like to exclude) is a stretch compared to the impression given earlier, but IMHO it's no more a lie than Obama's "if you like your doctor" statement that was also true in context that Joe Average won't have expected. I never saw that as a lie by Obama either, as KG can attest. ;-)

Hardly a fair comparison for a myriad of reasons. Had the republicans not sabotaged it, then that would of been part of it. Trump is just making things up - not even close to the same thing.

I would also like to point out that Trump's constant lying is not normal. This is not like any other president we've ever had. Attempting to normalize his behaviour is detrimental to our democracy.