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Trump going on at primetime tonight
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10/01/2019 16:08:31
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
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>>>You can't fool all the people all the time -- if they're paying attention. Part of the problem is that Trump lies sooo often and says so many ignorant things sooo often is that many people either just quit paying attention (because it's to wearing) or get so used to it that another whopper of a lie seems insignificant because it happens every day. In other words the twisted behavior becomes normalized. And then there are the people that simply do not care at all and will accept all of this because Trump is a white and not a woman like the morons that would rather be under Russian control that have the likes of HRC in office (and proudly wear t-shirts saying that). I do agree with you that the populace isn't reduced to that yet as a whole - and I doubt Trump will make it to the end of his term because all of these lies and dealings with Russia are going to come back to bite him in the ass. Even so there appears to be roughly 30% of the population that supports him no matter what -- and that includes 80% of the republicans. One of the issues that's going to arise when he does get impeached (if he gets impeached) -- is that there is a good chance that 30% of the population who supports him (for whatever twisted reason they do) is going to think we had a coup in this country...and that is not good for the country either. That is the problem with kicking his butt out of office. Even if (or when) the Muller investigation finds 100% positive proof of conspiracy with Russia and Trump, there is a percentage of people that won't care. They do not seem to care about anything that's been uncovered thus far anyway - and there is a lot. My personal opinion is that it's just to dangerous to leave him in office another 2 years - he's just unfit for the job and needs to go.
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>QED.
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>As an aside: this "impeach" meme. In Western modes of justice, after a crime is established then impeachment might be considered.

uh - no that is wrong - for example he can be kicked out of office for being unfit to hold office, and I think a good argument could be made for that. Good argument yes -- good ENOUGH argument though? I doubt you could convince enough republicans to end up with a 2/3 majority vote because they're all getting things they want out of this mess and don't seem to mind the cost. However based upon our last election part of the 'cost' to the republicans is loosing seats lol - so some might slip into self-preservation mode.

>In totalitarian and other repressive regimes, the intention to press charges/impeach is declared and then investigation persists until a suitable crime is established. Which do you advocate?
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>In Trump's case, are you proposing impeachment for collusion with Russia to influence an election, or to paraphrase the old hypochondria joke: we've kept searching until we think we found a crime. It's not the one we had in mind, but I guess it'll do?

Well that's not quite right. First off "collusion" in the eyes of the law is the wrong word here -- it should be "conspiracy". And I would not consider the Muller investigation a 'joke' either -- note how many indictments, convictions, guilty pleas we've already seen -- not to mention the fact that the investigation is not completed yet. Heck even today there were more serious revelations regarding his campaign manager Paul Manafort, and you can bet your bottom dollar that more revelations, indictments, convictions, guilty pleas, etc will follow.
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