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Trump going on at primetime tonight
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10/01/2019 17:43:22
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
 
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>>The number is still lower than it has been in previous decades despite going up....

But you insisted it was at record lows. Clearly wrong. You also exulted over fact checker "lies" in Trump's address, except that these figures show they were not lies.

>>so you need to look at a bigger picture here. If there is a humanitarian crisis then building a freaking wall and implementing policy to steal children from their parents or firing tear gas at them seems...uhh stupid and counter-productive doesn't it?

That's a vicious straw man, conflating a wall to concentrate crossing at legal points rather than imperiling lives along 2000 miles of border, with stealing children or firing tear gas.

>>And surely a bunch of kids in strollers with sippy cups is not an invasion emergency all of a sudden is it? Why is NOW a state of emergency when it wasn't before when the numbers were higher?

I've just given you the DHS figures that there's *never* been a higher number of kids in strollers with sippy cups than there was in December. That's why.

>> I get the humanitarian piece ...but what on earth could lead anyone to believe that Trump gives a rats ass about any of these brown-skinned people?

Why be distracted by this hateful stuff? If the wall will concentrate 500 kids per day crossing dangerous desert every day along 2000 miles, into 48 approved crossing sites, then you can save lives. Would you really refuse to allow that because you hate Trump?!

>>His "wall" - which we all know will be ineffective - is less about securing the border than it is about a symbol of Trump's racist ideology..because at the end of the day that's all it really is.

To make this pronouncement, you ignore what border experts have to say, including Obama's own border head who was fired by Trump so has more reason than you to resent him. Sheesh, even Chuck and Nancy and Hilary and Barack are on record supporting a wall before Trump was elected and now it seems people are more interested in attacking and hating than saving lives.
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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