>>>'m not going to fight with you on this anymore John -- if you don't grasp it by now, you never will - simply because you just don't want to, not because you can't.
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>>Seems to me I've heard that line before :)
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>I decided to take Bill's advice and go to neutral corner on the subject with John.

Yeah, the 20+ new messages I've seen today are perfect proof of that :)