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From
28/02/2019 13:49:28
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
 
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Forum:
Politics
Category:
Economics
Title:
Miscellaneous
Thread ID:
01665625
Message ID:
01666851
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46
>>Well that is a clever way of not directly answering what you know were my questions - simply asking you to verify what you were implying - so let me try this again.

>>1. Do YOU think Trump is a racist?
>>2. Do YOU think that Trump is a climate change denier?

>>...so just answer YES or NO to each of those -- no need to explain your position (yet).

You know I have an issue with your "four legs good, two legs bad" models.

I trained in an area where we joked that on hearing the sound of hooves, a student would proclaim excitedly "listen, a zebra!". The point of the joke was that sometimes it will be a zebra... or a rhinoceros and one day even possibly a unicorn. So we are trained not to form fixed judgments from inadequate cues.

You're asking me "yes or no, is that a zebra you hear?" and you get cross if I ask "have you seen it? does it have stripes?"

So: if by racist you mean that Trump in his official actions as POTUS shows bigotry on the basis of skin color, then I've not seen that. What I have seen is exemplified in another post where I quoted him on the effect of jobs on race relations. If you share my belief that he's right on that one, then he's doing great things for inner city African American and Hispanic communities who had been consigned to hopelessness. Perhaps we should ask them what they think about it.

Do I think that if people secretly record Trump in private, they might hear a racist meme? Quite possibly... just as a recording of the Outrigger bar after a few rounds might suggest shocking racism, e.g. re the impact of wealthy Asian tourists on Waikiki. If you're outcome based, then you look past that.

Re Climate Change denier: depends what you mean. Did you read his Rose Garden speech? I provided the part where he accurately quotes the expected effect of the Paris Accord. Clearly not a denial. However, if as I suspect you mean that anybody who is not a climate change alarmist is a climate change denier- then no, he is not a climate change alarmist.

As an aside, what do you make of the latest arctic ice figures? You'll recall the "settled science" about receding Arctic ice....
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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