>>Unrelated to the substance of the thread, the phrase in the title caught my eye.
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>>When was the last time you heard someone say "I ever learned that today"? I think never, so nobody does that, nobody "ever learns" (whatever that may actually mean).
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>>The language created by Humpty Dumpty...
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>Like much of the language, the phrase is partly idiomatic and partly accepted poor construction.
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>"When will we ever learn?" is an idiomatic - and technically incorrect- way of saying "When, if ever, will we learn?"

We have more history than geography. You have more history than grammar.