>>Using a commercial framework doesn't make you any less of a developer, which is what you seem to imply. If that were the case, then the same would apply to anyone who uses an ActiveX control as well. With ActiveX controls the developer typically relinquishes more control because most of them don't come with source and if they do, you have to be a C programmer to modify them.
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>Not to mention... developers developed VFP... but Jess seems to have no problem using it. So, why not use other tools, even thought they are developed in VFP.

Not that I don't need other VFPers insight or ideas, or having no problem using VFP. We even subscribed Foxtalk and Foxpro Advisor, and I love reading articles inside because we believe that two or three are better that one. Everything we do, we do it corporately. I do the same thing, using FoxWeb, xCase, and other tools.

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>As Matt said, we look at it this way... look at all the time we get for $300 by buying StoneField... we could never produce it for that. Even if we still spend a month customizing it, we are WAY ahead!
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