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24/10/2019 14:40:43
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., Nouvelle Zélande
 
 
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22/10/2019 17:32:05
Bill Fitzgerald (En ligne)
Woodbury Systems Group
Hamilton, New Jersey, États-Unis
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Forum:
Politics
Catégorie:
Élections
Titre:
Divers
Thread ID:
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Message ID:
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>>Exactly.
>>But you won't see that if people accept the con that they're lucky to have a job flipping hamburgers for $12/hour while people are buying condos in NYC for $20 million.
>>That flipper is a victim of economic oppression.
>>It's insane that there is no wage inflation here when the unemployment rate is at record lows.
>>That could never have happened before the anti-labor actions started by Carter and Reagan and continued by every president since.

If by "anti-labor" you mean propserity for blue collar and unskilled labor, then there's willful blindness that free importation of effective slave labor is the biggest anti-labor policy in existence. It's a simple economic reality that if Manhattan denizens want street cleaners, burger flippers and domestics, work conditions *must* allow the dignity and human expression of those workers bringing up their families in the proximity... unless there's desperate people prepared to work for pennies, a bunk bed and a promise you won't report them. When I was in Africa, unskilled 'help' was treated better than labor is sometimes treated today in the US, fwiw. I'd say that advocating and benefiting from effective slavery is equally abusive and it's not correct that *every* POTUS since Carter approved of this.

On the topic of minimum wages: I'll never agree that legislation can hold back the tide of economics and human behavior. Just as you can't legislate a debt out of existence without consequence, you can't legislate a $20 minimum pay rate if there's legions of desperate workers and venal employers ready to abuse them. Those employers need to know that antisocial abuse of your fellow man or woman will lead to vilification and severe business consequence rather than glowing articles in the press and the best window tables in restaurants. Every parent soon learns that if you want more bad behavior, keep rewarding it- and then we all seem to forget when it comes to society's predators- including those who cheerfully pay obviously low rates for domestic services and gardening. I suspect part of it is just complacency and lack of introspection; Lori Loughlin's astonishment that there's anything wrong with bribery to displace deserving candidates for the benefit of her daughters, is the same selfish ignorance that makes it acceptable to pay low "going rates" to defenseless workers.

>>When the British governor asked Gandhi how he expected to stop the oppression, Gandhi's answer was simple, but brutally radical -
>>"There are too many of us."

Actually he had some more cognitive ideas as well- including abhorence of targeted taxation in both India and South Africa, fwiw.
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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