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Update on the Texas City hydroxychloroquine
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05/05/2020 14:31:45
Walter Meester
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>>>>>>At a Texas City nursing home, 88 of 89 people there who tested positive for coronavirus have recovered. As of April 3rd, 55 residents and 34 staffers at The Resort in Texas City had tested positive for the virus.
>>>>>>Dr. Robin Armstrong says he administered hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and zinc to all patients and monitored them daily, including their EKG measurements. By this past Tuesday, Armstrong says all but one have recovered.
>>>>>> KORV radio McAllen, TX
>>Drawing conclusion from 89 patients is not large enough. This needs to be replicated by other groups before you can rely on ... jumping to the wrong conclusions could get you down the wrong path is the recent research to a drug Remdesvir where two trails yielded (of larger cohorts of patients) yielded different conclusions.
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>>What do you make of these numbers from the Johns Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE)
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>>Country or Region: Netherlands(POP 17.2 Million)
>>Country Netherlands
>>Last Data Update 5/5/2020, 10:32 AM
>>Confirmed 41,285
>>Deaths 5,184
>>Recovered 138
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>>Country or Region: Turkey (POP 82 Million)
>>Country Turkey
>>Last Data Update 5/5/2020, 10:32 AM
>>Confirmed 127,659
>>Deaths 3,461
>>Recovered 68,166
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>Not sure what you are trying to imply here.
I am trying to imply that all the things you mention are possible reasons for the difference, but the major difference in treatments could also be a major difference in outcomes. I personally know 4 people that have tested positive - 2 in Florida and 2 in Georgia (one 80 years old). In both cases ( two father and son pairs) their doctors immediately put them on hydroxychloroquine,

> Turkey was not hit as hard as south and western Europe. You cannot draw any conclusions of effectiveness of treatment from the numbers given above. For example, there are differences in testing capacity, So there are far more COVID19+ cases than officially confirmed. A blood bank in the Netherlands confirmed a couple of weeks ago that approx. 3% of our population had antibodies against COVID 19. If true it would mean that already half a million would have tested positive if everyone was tested.
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>Then there are difference in climate. COVID19 like many other viruses seem to do well in cold and dry weather, so differences in infections might be determined by climate.
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>Also, there are differences in population density. It is no coincidence that New York has been hit so hard. The more people on a square mile, the more explosive the virus will manifest.
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>We also have the factor of age. Most deaths here are over the age of 75. Italy has a quite ageing population which is one reason for the many deaths. Countries like Turkey has a relative young population with less elderly people are therefore would be in better shape in surviving the virus.
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>Finally, it makes a huge difference whether a country had the time to see it was coming. Italy was caught of guard and like china ignored the issue initially before it was too late. Other countries which witnessed the dramatic situation in Italy were much better prepared and citizens were warned and instructed far more timely. However, the situation in western Europe is pretty bad nonetheless. Spain, France, the UK all have over 25.000 deaths as well.
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>So, no you cannot draw any conclusions on the effectiveness of treatment unless they are controlled and reproducible in randomised trails by others. Its too easy to get caught into misleading statistics. You have to avoid comparing apples and oranges.
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>As for the Turkish minister... It gets a bit tireing to hear each and every country to proclaim they are doing better than other countries because they do things different, while at this point there is no way to compare apples with apples.
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>>Fahrettin Koca is the Turkish Health Minister.
>>From The Daily News 26 April 2020
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>>"Koca explained that unlike the other countries, in Turkey doctors do not advise people with symptoms such as fever, store throat and coughing to take antipyretics and stay at home, but invite them to hospital and immediately start treatment by administering chloroquine to the people in suspicious cases without waiting for the results from the test results"
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