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From
24/05/2020 19:52:23
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
 
 
To
24/05/2020 17:02:01
Walter Meester
HoogkarspelNetherlands
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Politics
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Miscellaneous
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>>I could have expected that argument, but it does not tell you the whole story. You can't compare those numbers as these are the results of many factors (like Europe was struck hard much earlier than the US and with far less knowledge about the nature of the virus at that point). Then there is the difference in population density in which the Netherlands is far more densely populated country.

It's a reasonable argument if the corporate media's story of poor US response is a premise. Perhaps as you note it has more to do with timing- or maybe WHO misinformation or political distraction, e.g. trying to impeach a POTUS while a deadly virus is getting a foothold. I guess time will tell.

>>My statement is more based upon the fact that many people do not have universal health coverage and therefore will not seek medical help when ill. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-american-healthcare-system-is-only-making-covid-19-worse/ar-BB10WqbA

I agree there are millions without cover in the US but lets not forget federal hospital ships in NY harbour and on the West Coast or popup army hospitals in gymnasiums and parks, and federal $billions spent on ventilator production and vaccine/cure research. While this has all happened since your article in early March, it's illustrative that NY Governor Cuomo who had predicted massive mortality without tens of thousands of ventilators, now donates ventilators to others and credits state efforts and federal support meaning that not a single COVID victim who needed a ventilator in the NY COVID hot-spot, missed out. Meanwhile the US has now performed more tests than the rest of the world put together and is actively targeting urban African American and Hispanic populations for testing and government funded treatment if indicated.

I don't call the US perfect, but the popular narrative out there seems biased. IMHO.

>>Again, this is very misleading. This is caused because of the shortage of testing kits since the beginning of the outbreak and therefore, unlike in other countries, far less tests are being done. In most causes, people who got ill, never got a test unless they had to be admitted into the hospital. So we are not looking at comparable statistical populations.

??!! according to figures I see, South Korea had been portrayed as the leading COVID tester until the US surpassed them in both volume and per capita testing weeks back now. The US is also performing the IgM/IgG antibody test that reports past as well as current infection meaning that you get to count infections from day 1 unlike the standard PCR that only detects active infection.

My view would be that high US testing confirms more infection of which up to 86% is said to be asymptomatic, which is what reduces the case mortality. But if you have better figures confirming that US case mortality is driven by low testing or underreporting, I'd like to see it because US facilities and states have been so incentivized to report COVID deaths that New Jersey had to pull back over 30% of its tally after an alcoholic poisoning death counted as COVID went viral.
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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