>> But that would be called realism, not nihilism.
>What a nihilist calls realism is nihilism - what an optimist calls realism is optimism - etc.
>Show me someone who doesn't say "I'm a realist" and i'll show you a confused person.

Socrates (according to Plato and Cicero) is given credit to ideas behind "scio me nihil scire", today often shortened to "scio nescio". While such a statement does point to a certain confusion about knowledge, I'd NOT claim the person to be confused. He might refrain from saying "I'm a realist", which Plato might second, just on doubting knowledge of "true" reality...

Will NOT discuss apple talk mentioned later on unless given a good meal and lots of beer in Walhalla...

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thomas