Many thanks for those clarifications Jos.

>We have been working with WinDev and WebDev for many years now. It is rock solid. We have 5 websites up and running 24/7, no issues. We have many desktop apps running and some in TSPlus environments, no problems. PCSoft have an excellent product. I cannot comment on why a sales person cannot get their demo together - no information to make any comment. If I demo your system poorly is your system to blame or me? I can tell you we are 10 times more productive than with VFP.
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>In respect of niche development environments - sure PCSoft is not .Net. Whether this makes a difference to you and your business depends on your circumstances. In our circumstances (and we have been in business since 2000) this is 100% a non-issue. Clients simply do not care less what we use as long as the product does what they want. If I was a contract programmer or a programmer looking for a job I would just go .Net as primary and be done with it. But we are not in that boat; we develop off the shelf systems which we provide on a monthly subscription basis. We don’t do contract work except for customizations in our systems.
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>In terms of XXX new enhancements - first of all this is just marketing. Secondly, they count the same enhancement in all 3 development products as separate/individual enhancements (so lots of what I would call over-counting). But that’s just marketing BS. The truth is VFP has had no marketing for a decade+. Now we complain about marketing :) One needs to look past all that BS and look at what that product can do for you. If you develop off the shelf apps in VFP then WinDev gives you an almost code line for code line similarity and a syntax and project development process which is virtually identical. Nothing else comes close. Therefore, it is your fastest route to a modern, updated, and continually upgraded platform with every bell and whistle you can imagine. We literally replaced every single 3rd party tool with native tools/code built into WinDev.
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>I know 100% sure that WinDev is as solid/stable as VFP9 if not much more so. That does not mean there are no bugs in it; you cannot develop a product as complex as WinDev or .Net or whatever tool without there being some bugs; nothing is perfect. But they get solved (if they are important) and new versions come out like clockwork. We are 100% satisfied with WinDev and after several years of using these tools we are very productive in churning out changes and enhancements in record time. No regrets at all. I was bored with VFP but I love working with WinDev.
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>>Thank you Jos,
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>>I know that you've been working with WinDev in the last years.
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>>I went to a couple of their new version launches. The last time there were major problems with their demo. Don't remember if it was because of the internet connection but still, a demo is always supposed to run perfectly. If you can't do that as en enterprise, it gives me the signal that there could be many problems with what you are trying to sell me :-0
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>>The last times I saw their advertising (marketing) for what is coming in the next version there was always a mention of that new version containing 895 (or around that number) improvements.
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>>That can look impressive but is it true? and before they add that many improvements I want the previous version to be solid. Do they do that?
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>>Last time I looked for percentages of most searches made based on a programming language, VFP had 1%. C# had over 30%
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>>When leaving VFP we don't want to go to another 1% environment. Is WinDev a serious contender to VFP?
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>>We have to take those percentages seriously? Many years ago we had a publicity over here about company making sausages, and it went like this.
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>>"More persons eat our sausages because they are fresher and they are fresher because more people eat them."
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>>Based on that publicity, environment with a low percentage can be interpreted as dying environment or not really used.
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>>I presume that somebody looking at their next development environment for many years won't really consider an environment with a low percentage. Eventually we'll have to look for consultants or new employees. Lower percentage will make our searches more difficult.
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>>>>Helllo all,
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>>>>Very sad but eventually we will have to find a new development environment to replace VIsual FoxPro.
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>>>>Survey time!
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>>>>I know, I know that I did this survey a while ago. Forgive me for that but I guess that it's been long enough and a new survey could give interesting feedback.
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>>>>Considering all the languages, and frameworks available for those languages, which environment seems to be the most promising for the next 15 to 20 years?
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>>>>I know that Javascript is used a lot, mostly with very interesting frameworks.
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>>>>Python is also a very interesting environment.
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>>>>How important is C# nowadays?
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>>>>What else?
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>>>>The selected alternative to VFP has to be something used by a lot of developers, so that when needed consultants or employees should be easy to find.
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>>>>Your thoughts?
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>>>>Thank you very much for your contribution.
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>>>The single fastest new language you can learn coming from VFP projects is WinDev because (1) the language syntax is the same for all intents and purposes, (2) it contains both a free native database (very similar but better than what comes with VFP – in standalone database mode or client/server mode) and can connect to any 3rd party database, and (3) you build projects in the same way. In addition, the French version comes out first and there is a large French community (larger than the English community). It connects to any database and can integrate many other languages e.g. Java .Net etc. Lastly, the same syntax you use to write desktop apps is also used for browser solutions and smartphone apps. In fact, they are working on being able to just run your desktop app as a website without code changes and without the need for TSPlus or any other those remote desktop emulation tools. Coming from VFP, WinDev represents the fastest route to getting up to speed. It is almost code line for line comparable to VFP. Every 3rd party tool you have ever had to stick onto VFP is almost certainly available natively in WinDev.