>>>Would you mind that I think to stalk and lure for sex is the problem first hand? Nobody deserves this. And then, who say teens? The word was kids, you need more imagination (Sorry if it causes nausea).
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>>At first I mentioned kids, because of the general image in my head I got when Mike mentioned his story.
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>>But then I thought about how luring and stalking has gotten worse because of the internet, and there you get into the early teen years. It's usually easy for a parent to monitor a seven year old watching Peppa Pig episodes on Youtube with kid controls - much harder when they are teens.....and those who stalk know it.
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>>Forget causing nausea...if you want to read stories that will make your blood boil, the United States Attorneys Office has published material on different ways adults have lured young teens for sex.
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>>Let me get back to my original point. I don't claim to know what happens in Europe or other countries, but in this country, we've got men (and yes, sometimes women) who have done some of the sickest things to kids/teens, and I hope there's a special place in hell for them.
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>There is not much difference here, and I guess everywhere. One off the possible failure in humans. It was there all the time and it will be there. This is in no way an excuse, get me right.
>And all the stalking and so on, most cases are inside family or the trustworthy environment. Just like rape. You know, the offender uses the secure way. The rapist out of the bush is more then rare (this is, if you see the numbers of lurers, think how many victims are invisible just by this logic). That is much more a step for a kid to report the problem. (And inside the family to trust the kid, not to talk the oddness off some couples). There is just more noise about luring.
>All what one can do, is to give a kid the trust to start talking if the things get odd, and teach the use of knees in case off. Hard, fast, no regret. There is no chance in limiting the connections of a kid. This is like preventing sex under teenagers. Useless try. Teach the use of condoms instead. Every 7th grade here owns mobile internet and knows how to open a hotspot. Half of them will hack child protection. Guess, they will help there friends and little siblings out. There is an other way - make sexuality boring, just teach what is to teach, so a kid is not to be tricked by curiosity. If they can ask you to borrow a condom, they might tell you about odder questions too. You are trusted, if you are asked to accompany your daughter to the doctor, because she dislike to ask for the pill or pregnancy test alone. Always strange to sit and wait at the gynaecologist with a girl 30-odd years younger...
>And naturally, make them strong persons. Abusers fear strong persons, and it will help anyway.
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>I'm against death penalty in general. And punishment too. But then I'm not an American, where such odd ideas are wide spread. Nobody will learn from it, it will prevent nothing. Removing them out of society is a different matter. And let them life long work to pay the victims bills too. Don't know. In a sense abusers are pitiful humans that lack basic parts that makes us human. But then this is a disability. One that makes it impossible to live under general society, and there is no secure cure - but still they have the right to live.

Sorry - the fellow threatened to kill sibilings, wife, aunt. People claim threat of death is no prevention to them, but it works on the rational. That only proves these offenders are beyond saving. You are against the death penalty because you have not seen these sickos up close. We spend too much in taxes to keep them in jail. Punishment cannot work without drastic physical interventions. I was prepared to punch him in the throat for how he used me and I was prepared to kill the shotgun wielder. If that is toxic masculinity it is better to end their toxicity than to allow it to continue. Right to live when it is wrong is illogical.