>>>I have been trying to steer people towards the better ways for a long time and I finally got sick and tired of wasting my breath on diplomacy.
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>Ernest Rutherford (who split the atom) once observed that if you can't explain something to the janitor, it may not be worth knowing.
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>One of his contemporaries also observed that we all should be respectful towards others; not as a reflection of their character, but of ours. ;-)
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>While best experts can be a bit scratchy, this VFP community has tended to be very polite and respectful unlike other communities where flame wars and petty insults reign. Sometimes it does come here- as I recall, Michel's first ever banning was of somebody who should have known better than to issue distasteful sexual taunts- but usually we're better and long may it continue.

There are a lot of bad apples. One of those he banned was working at a place that I had taught FoxPro and taught subroutines a long time ago. I had no idea which of the people he was, but I found out quickly when he would not shake my hand. He got a good reaming from the owner, right in front of the team. Another lame duck. Just weeks before I got there the owner was screaming at the team because they were not delivering. Nothing I could do. Add diamonds to a pile of crap, and it's still a pile of crap. Problem is we allow the lame ducks to scrape those who know better.