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10/08/2021 05:25:45
 
 
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10/08/2021 01:15:11
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
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Health
Category:
Diseases
Title:
Re: Masks
Miscellaneous
Thread ID:
01681866
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01682043
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>As always the devil is in the detail: break the figures into >50 age bracket and suddenly the case counts are lower for unvaccinated while death rate is significantly higher: 220 deaths in 13,427 vaccinated cases, versus 110 deaths in 2,337 unvaccinated cases.

One of my main beefs is the reluctance to offer better data on the dimensions clearly important when discussing ways to avoid or combat C19. Age (or better some inherent "closeness to death" to include high risk middle agers) clearly is a significant predictor of C19 severity. Getting data only for sex and age requires going through contortions for mortality and even more for hospitalization data. On vaccination date of birth is part of the information required over here and printed out on every document proving vaccination status. But in statistics you are informed on total vaccination # and percentage, then same for age group 60+.
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>These >50 figures appear to support your logic, though we'd want to see overall vaccinated vs unvaccinated denominators to confirm whether the vaccine protects from infection or simply reduces mortality/severity in the >50 group.

Couple of days you asked about "lessons learned". For me this would be
a) treat every VOC strain as separate disease as soon as more # reaches "beachhead level"
b) treat every combination of vaccination as discrete subgroup for statistics
c) publish raw data including age, hospitaliztion length and severity (none, bed, ICU, breather for C19)

as this would have clearly shown that delta # count was rising when alpha was falling exponentially - Laschet (hoping to slip into Merkel seat...) spouting garbage on seeing no data on significant differences between alpha and delta only proved him to be data or math blind IMO (if statement was true on his conviction and not trumping...)

>Latest Briefing 20 this week: data presentation changes yet again, but: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf ... See 1.7 Vaccination: no significant difference in Ct load vaccinated vs unvaccinated, meaning no difference in infectiousness/risk to others whether vaccinated or not. Hence updated advice for vaccinated people to wear masks: these vaccinates won't establish herd immunity and the promise that vaccination would set you free was premature, since once infected you're Typhoid Mary even if you got your shots.

Claimed since Easter 20 that we have a new symbiotic relationship - now we have to balance effort, risk and reward with the virus. Speaking about "immunity" from the point of researchers of the immune system, even slight reactions are low grade "immunity". MSM headline "immunity" describing sterile or infection immunity is/was both idiotic and a carrot for the masses. Ig-G mitigating C19 death or heavy sickness makes total sense (as it also "explains" correlations with myocarditis, head vene thrombosis "blue feet" seen in children, breakdown in lung tissues), but epidemologic reasoning would prefer Ig-A bolstering via nasal spray. (Still unclear on the early ideas of Ig-E supposedly more prevalent in African nations due to more parasites).

>There is good news: check out all the named variants and upcoming variants awaiting labels in Briefing 20. Most are short lived; as of today, 99% of C19 infections are sequenced as delta so once that starts to diminish, this one could follow the curious pandemic pattern that the bug seems to "lose heart" and fade away, as Ebola and various earlier swine flus did.

Yupp - UK seems to be on downward trend similar to Portugal and Spain. Looking at vaccination eagerness it seems a certain death # or innate smarts is necessary: Canada and Spain with non-trivial head count are well ahead of Germany, the States and even UK. As elections are coming this fall over here I fear german "leaders" will argue and opt for lockdown again even if ample vaccines are available now. Big Brother is building himself a broader base here - while I am no Covidiot or Corona denier, some trends, reportings and regulations clearly are not supported by real danger and data and thus elevate "Corona safety" to the realm of "fighting kid porn" straw man.

regards
thomas
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