>Nope again,
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>As soon as you put an ocx control ore something like that in your form they will appear again !
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>They even show up if younavigate frome on control to the other (occasionally)
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>Thanks again Fred.
Put the SET MESSAGE TO "" in your forms LOAD method. I don't see anything there, but I haven't tried it with .OCX's. Is SET MESSAGE scoped to the data environment?