Hi John,

>then I try hiding it with HIDE MENU but keep getting the error "menu has not been defined with DEFINE MENU"

This sounds like you do something like HIDE MENU Edit, or so. The Edit menu must be defined as a menu bar (not a shortcut menu) and the HIDE MENU command should take _MSYSMENU as the parameter. That's the menu bar at the top of the window. Maybe you could post your code?

Christof