Jason,

I believe they both have banner ads at the login screen or other places on the UT. There was a post today or yesterday listing about 7 differen't frameworks. My research led me to ProMatrix as one of the best for someone who needs handholding (like me), until I discovered it doesn't do C/S well. Now I use Visual FoxExpress (www.f1tech.com) which also has a very structured, pre-defined development flow. Some frameworks are simply structures or expanded data dictionaries without the time-saving RAD wizards that these two provide.

I (my company) paid $600 for FoxExpress -- a far better investment than training seminars, books, videos and the like.